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I'm not sure why Poles have this audacity that many young Russians (but also some Belorussians and Ukrainians, and some Soviet Jews) had to die so that Poles had better bargaining position with Stalin later on.

This all while explaining how Russian lives are worthless anyway (a scroll worth of comments) so why bother about these.

I'm also not sure why Stalin will discard his political goals and help Polish resistance achieve theirs instead with his armies. What did they expect?



First Russians invaded Poland together with Germany in September 1939.

Then after Germans betrayed them in 1941 they recaptured Poland from them (stealing and raping their way through the country) and then kept Poland as a puppet state for 50 years, murdering innocent people, censoring press, falsifying history and enforcing the totalitarian system they put in place after faked elections with stalinist purges and communist terror.

Pardon Poles for not being thankful :)


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ah yeah, Poles are the perpetrators of being invaded by two neighbours.


This is some russian troll. There's no reasoning with them


Worse things happened in the vicinity so who are them to complain. Or to put it another way, who is there to listen to their complaints?


These days? Or back then?

> Worse things happened in the vicinity

In large parts thanks to Stalin. For literally bankrolling the nazi invasion of France and then the USSR itself.


You may e-mail your concerns to Georgia.

More seriously, it seems that you are trying to pass Polish passivity and inaction as a virtue. Somehow individual Polish human beings should be treated better because their Polish state was AFK, than other human beings whose ancestors were living in other states which were assaulting each other through Poland.

That just does not sound convincing east of Rhine.


There's always someone who has it worse. Should we also not talk about the holocaust because others had it worse?


The had no issues unnecessarily dying entirely for Stalin’s political ambitions?

One might say that being one of the aggressors who started the war and by playing a massive part in the successful German invasion of France (it’s hard to imagine Germany could have pulled that off without massive Soviet material support, they basically had no oil after all..) that the Soviets had a moral obligation to right some of those wrongs.

> Russian lives are worthless anyway

That was a fact (in relative terms) mainly established by the Soviets. They indeed considered the lives of their citizen to be worth very little (compared to the allies).

> What did they expect?

That he’d prioritize the defeat of Germany and the liberation of Poland over them. Of course extremely naive…


> the Soviets had a moral obligation to right some of those wrongs.

That is extremely naive indeed to think that Stalin would have any moral obligations to right any of his perceived wrongs.

All the trajectory of his political life suggested he will shoot the survivors, so to say.


> extremely naive

How exactly? Believing that he had that obligation doesn’t mean that I also believe that he could have acted on in under any set of circumstances.


I may be beliving that a benevolent AI has an obligation preserve our consciousness after our death, as well as treat us with free ice cream. There should be a process of reconciling your beliefs with reality.

Poland did end up on the receiving side of Stalin's benevolent dictatorship. He essentially de-partitioned Poland thus effectively recreating it. An uncelebrated founding father of Polish nation state.

Many people would think Poles suffered comparatively little and got out with comparatively much out of WW2.


This is 1984 level of bullshit. "War is peace, murdering innocent people and annexing countries is benevolent".

> [Stalin] essentially de-partitioned Poland

Are you even aware that Poland existed before WW2? There was no need to "de-" partition it if you just kept your hands to yourself. It was Hitler and Stalin who partitioned it in the first place.

And even in strictly technical terms - Poland was in one piece after 1941 because Germans took it over from soviets. There was no need to "de-partition" it after WW2 either.

On the other hand soviets did partition it AGAIN in 1945 by splitting the eastern parts and annexing them to USSR. Even including the gains in the west - Poland lost about 1/7th of its territory during WW2 because soviets just took it.

> Many people would think Poles suffered comparatively little and got out with comparatively much out of WW2.

Over 1/6th of Polish population died in WW2. About 6 million Polish citizens (half of them Polish Jews) died because Nazi Germany and Soviet Union joined forces to invade Poland in 1939 and did ethnic cleansings and political repressions there. Germans for 5 years, Russians for 50 years.

Stalin is personally responsible for ordering murder of several hundreds thousands of Poles and forced expulsion of millions of Poles from their homes in eastern Poland (which became USSR after WW2). And indirectly co-responsible for all the deaths that resulted from WW2 which he helped Hitler start.

> An uncelebrated founding father of Polish nation state.

Fuck you.




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